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The New 52 - Huntress by Femmes-Fatales The New 52 - Huntress by Femmes-Fatales
Here's the eighteenth pin-up in a series I'm doing called The Women of the New 52. This one is of the arrow-slinging (and slightly bland) Helena Wayne AKA Huntress!

As the daughter of Earth-2 Bruce Wayne, Helena became Robin and fought crime alongside her father. She forged a friendship with Supergirl and the two became a permanent duo. However, during a battle against Darkseid both Helena and Kara were transported to another Earth where they are currently stranded. Taking on the codename of Huntress and temporarily using the identity of Helena Bertinelli, Helena took to the role of vigilante while Kara (now using the name Karen Starr) became a super CEO working towards finding a way to get the two women back home.

Of all of the changes in the New 52, one of the ones I was saddest about was the elimination of Helena Bertinelli's character. While Helena Wayne may be the first Huntress, I can't help but feel that she falls short of being as multi-dimensional as Helena Wayne. I can't help but feel as if Helena W is a bit bland and is a bit of a generic vigilante (IN COMPARISON TO BERTINELLI... when removed from the comparative she's decently written). To me, her saving grace is her friendship to Power Girl. The two have an incredible dynamic and it's definitely the Earth-2 equivalent to Black Canary and Barbara Gordon. For those of you who have yet to read "World's Finest" and wish to know the truth about Helena Bertinelli (spoilers ahead)... she existed but is dead. We don't know how she died or when but given the fact that these characters tend to not stay dead for very long it could be possible that Helena Bertinelli may show up in the future.

Wayne/Bertinelli schpeel aside. Helena Wayne's costume is more or less similar to one of the costumes Helena Bertinelli wore (eff man this is confusing XD). There are some minor changes here and there. I really do wish they'd made more of an effort to separate Wayne from Bertinelli visually in her Huntress garb. *shrugs* But what can you do?

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XAlexDentonX Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's her New 52 costume? Gee, they didn't try very hard, did they? They could have been bold and played with the colors. This is essentially her old costume. DC did so well on others, like Black Canary. And your description is confusing me. Helena Bertinelli and Wayne exist in the same universe, but the former is dead? Man I missed out one some interesting comics, I got to correct that.
Nice work. It helps that I already love the character so much, but you did a good job here :)
Also, thanks for always writing such detailed descriptions, it's very interesting to read.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I really like the update they did for her. It's much more streamlined. Previous versions were a little too heavy for my tastes. Obviously my redesigns of her tend to keep it clean too.

Helena Wayne is from Earth 2, which is a parallel universe to ours. She and Kara were accidentally teleported to our universe during Darkseid's invasion of their world.

Helena then took on the assumed identity of Helena Bertinelli, who was presumed dead.

However, it would later be revealed that Bertinelli was alive and well. She is, in fact, a spy who works closely with Dick Grayson.
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beeto45 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013
batman's former daughter, right?
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No one can ever be a "former" daughter... you're a son or daughter for life. But to answer your question and as is made evident by the blurb I wrote for her here, the Huntress in the New 52 continuity is Batman's daughter. :)
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beeto45 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013
really? i wasn't up to date with dc continuity.
they first killed huntress in coie, brought her back from oblivion with no relation to batman and now your telling me she's batman's daughter again. SHEESH!
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
On Earth-2, she is. On Earth-1, there was a Helena Bertinelli but according to Helena Wayne she's "dead." In comic book speak, that means "dead for now" since no one in comics stays dead for long especially when the majority prefer the badass Helena Bertinelli to the meh Helena Wayne.
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13Nightmares Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
Huntress tag teaming with Power Girl as the World's Finest was easily New 52 Title I was excited for the most... and then I found out this was Helena Wayne and not Helena Bertinelli.

I'm sure Helena Wayne is cool in her own right, but imo, she just can't hold a candle to Bertinelli even when it comes origin.

Helena Wayne, daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle from an alternate universe, who started as that universe's Robin.
Helena Bertinelli, Daughter of the Bertinelli Gotham Mob Family, who became a vigilante to fight the mob and developed her own identity separate from the Bat-Family.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I do think there's room for both but obviously I prefer HB to HW.
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13Nightmares Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2013
With me, I was introduced to Helena Bertinelli through the Justice League Unlimited cartoon, that's who I knew as Huntress and that's who I looked for in comics and stories (before New 52). I know Wayne came first, and one of the writers for World's Finest created Wayne... but still.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I was aware of both Huntresses since I was familiar with Helena Bertinelli via what comics were out in the '90s but knew of Helena Wayne via the Birds of Prey TV show. I've just never much liked the idea of Bruce and Selina together since I think they're poison for one another.
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ladykikyou Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2012
You've clearly never read a pre-New 52 Helena Wayne story before in your life if you think she's one dimensional. While her time as Huntress was sadly cut short due to the 1986 reboot, she did grow a lot as a character in the nine years that she was given. By the time she met her end in the Crisis on Infinite Earths finale she was a different character from the one she was when she first started out. It should also be noted that some traits people commonly attribute to Helena Bertinelli (i.e., having a brutal fighting style and moral ambiguity with regards to foe deaths) actually started with Helena Wayne and carried over to the Helena Bertinelli incarnation where they were emphasised more.

That being said, there's no comparing Wayne and Bertinelli as they're both very different women with very different raison d'Ítres that--in my opinion--make them both interesting and compelling women. I do agree that DC has done neither character any favours in making their origins interchangeable, but I do disagree strongly that one is more multidimensional than the other due to their differences as characters.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've read Helena Wayne's various adventures in Wonder Woman's Pre-Crisis title when she was the back-up star. :)
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RedJoey1992 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2012  Student General Artist
Very Nice. I Like it.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks.
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RedJoey1992 Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2012  Student General Artist
Welcome
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CheekyLombax Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
I think she looks alot better in the New 52.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't see the huge difference in what she looks like to be honest. This costume is essentially Helena Bertinelli's OYL costume with the addition of shoulder pads.
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Spider-Bat700 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012
On the matter of the costume: yeah, it probably would help if she had an outfit more unique to Helena Wayne. Something that maybe evoked her pre-Crisis attire perhaps? Although pink is kind of hard for most people to take seriously.

I confess, I do like the belly-window. As for the matter of silly and impractical, if she ever got shot, I don't see how a thin layer of cloth (or whatever her suit's made of unless its some magical bullet-proof material) is going to make much of a difference, but maybe I'm just insane. Wouldn't be the first time someone's called me that.

Oh, and one last thing: Helena has a "screw em and dump em" mentality eh? So much for being a devout Catholic. Well, that and the whole Frank Castle Syndrome I once mentioned...
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It wouldn't be hard to redesign a look for Helena Wayne. Why would she have to have something that'd look like her cheesy Pre-Crisis outfit? Why not do something entirely new! Not every redesign has to be indicative of something a character wore previously. This would have been the perfect chance to branch out and give HW a brand-new look.

Huntress did get shot. Back in No Man's Land, the Joker shot her in her stomach. At the time, she was wearing her awesome black costume with the purple V design and the bullets managed to penetrate her torso. However, a good portion of the Gotham folks wear Kevlar-reinforced costumes which would protect them a little better. There was an article written around the time the stomach window was given to Huntress and the writer said that it was a missed opportunity for Huntress to show off her scars. It could have been a statement to say "Look what I've survived and I'm not scared to show it off." Instead, the stomach window became something to objectify the character and titillate readers with. Did we ever see those scars which are on her stomach? Nope.

Helena actually gave up her religion. It was at the end of "Cry for Blood." However, she's never been particularly "devout" since she's been shown to question a lot of things about her religion particularly the hypocrisies concerning men and women. Early on, Helena was baffled about the fact that there couldn't be a female pope. She's also been shown to have very little faith and trust in men so she leaves them before they can hurt and betray her. She doesn't want any man getting too close. It's not like they've proved her wrong either. Though I should note... Nightcrawler is also supposedly a devout Catholic but he's also a notorious skirt-chaser.
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Spider-Bat700 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012
True, but Kurt doesn't indulge in pre-marital sex, at least not to my knowledge.

I actually do have a fondness for Helena's pre-Crisis design, but I suppose your right about trying something new. Hmm...maybe that should be my next major project!

I knew about Huntress' gunshot injuries. As for the scars, I actually do think that's an awesome idea. What a missed opportunity. As I recall though, Gail did give a legitimate reason for why Helena had the exposed belly, namely with a "700 sit-ups a day" or somesuch. Either way, I think it puts a really good light on her that she not only kept an outfit she didn't like but actually gave a solid reason for it being there. Way to go Gail.

Honestly, I think I like Huntress' "belly-window" look, her 90s look, and the current look she's got about evenly. I just can't decide on a favorite between all three of them...
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually, it's likely that he did. There's a scene in one of the '80s issues of Uncanny X-Men where he and Amanda Sefton are in a hot tub together and both are naked. It's more or less accepted that they had a sexual relationship. Of course, Chris Claremont didn't push the priest agenda with the character. That was something other writers chose to emphasize. His Nightcrawler was an Errol Flynn kind of character.

That wasn't a "legitimate reason" but rather a joke. It wasn't a solid reason at all and it was something on Simone's part where she was cracking a joke at the ridiculousness of the outfit. After all, that belly window got closed up shortly after Ed Benes left the title. It's more or less like the joke Marjorie Liu made about Psylocke's costume in X-23's solo series where one of the teen characters commented on the fact that Psylocke has cellulite on her butt. It's a way of poking fun at the stupidity of the impractical costumes really and not only the costume but the reality of the bodies of these superheroines. It takes a whole lot of work to look like Helena Bertinelli does and it's unlikely that Helena would really have that much time to devote to that. She's often a full-time teacher and she views that as her primary responsibility. When you factor in her duties as a vigilante, it becomes laughable to imagine that she has the time to really do two hours of exercise everyday unless she doesn't sleep or eat. XD
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Spider-Bat700 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012
I actually like both versions of the character personally, though I definitely prefer Bertenelli. And you know, for what its worth, this version of Helena Wayne honestly feels more like Bertenelli with a different last name. Similar costume, similar attitude, she just feels more like Bertenelli then the Pre-Crisis Helena Wayne. At least, that's just my opinion.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
HW is significantly "softer" than HB is in the New 52. That's what I'm finding and that's in part because she has to be in comparison to Power Girl. Karen is fairly illogical and she goes into every fight fists first. Helena Bertinelli was also like that. Helena Wayne, however, was not. HW was a lot like her father in that she was fairly stoic and methodical. I see that in the New 52 with HW again. She's also a lot friendlier and happy to partner up than HB is/was. We have yet to see what her dating history is like as well. The big thing that differentiates HW from HB, is that HB wasn't monogamous and didn't really do the whole "dating" thing like HW did. She was a "screw 'em and leave 'em" kind of girl (which obviously pissed Babs off a bit).
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seanwiccan18 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012
I've been waiting, kind of dreading, this piece. I knew she was coming after you did PG. I use the word dreading in only the slightest of usage. I didn't dread the piece itself, just what I was going to say once the piece was posted. Lol. I still don't know what I'm going to say. XD

Usually I comment on the character themself, both how I liked them Pre-New 52 and then how I like them in the New 52 itself, but I can't do either with this character. As you know, I've never read anything with Helena Wayne. The only Huntress I've ever known is Helena Bertinelli. I also know we've had a few dozen different conversations about this topic, so I won't go on and on about how I don't like the change back to HW. I've said all I had to say about that, and honestly I can't say much else sense I haven't ever read her. I just take other people's word, including yours :P, on the fact that HB is better. I would to read World's Finest one day and make the choice for myself on who is better. *shrugs*

Now I will comment on the art itself, something that I enjoy doing. Lol. Mostly because you make each piece so awesome and enjoyable to look at, that it makes it fun to come back and comment on every piece. I really do love the Huntress costume, well the later versions of it. I've always liked the white around the edges of the cape, and think that you did a great job with that here. The white looks very crisp and clean. The cross on her chest looks great as well. It's kind of a toss up for me, on whether I like the belly window or not. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It's always interesting to not see it on Huntress' desgin, or to see it when it's there. I can understand why they chose not to go for it on this look, plus HB hadn't had it for awhile anyways...I really love the boots and gloves on this design and think that you pulled them off wonderfully. They look kind of bubbly to me. They remind me of those bubble jackets that girls used to love to wear. XD The mask also looks really great and I love the crossbow.

Overall I really like this look for Huntress, be she HB or HW. It is sad that HB is dead in the New 52, but it's like you said comic characters never stay dead for long. Hopefully they will find some cool way to bring her back. Since she's so Batman related I wouldn't be surprised if they threw her in a Lazarus pit. XD Anyways, this is a nice continuation to this series and I look forward to seeing more.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've read the first two issues and it seems possible that maybe Helena Bertinelli could theoretically still be alive. We don't know how she died so it's very much a possibility that she faked her own death. Who knows? Well, I suppose the team at DC does. I think there's so much going for Helena Bertinelli as a character and it's such a shame that they felt the need to write her out. It's disappointing to say the least.

Like you, I tend to go back and forth with the stomach window. While it's kind of sexy and aesthetically pleasing, it's also impractical and pretty lame. Overall, I do like seeing Huntress in a full bodysuit since it looks more practical and it makes her seem that much more badass. I like the design they're using for her but I still wish that they'd come up with something new for Helena Wayne to set her apart. I still maintain the fact that I feel she's fairly generic and I think Paul Levitz really has to begin adding more depth to her as a character.
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seanwiccan18 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012
Yeah, it is. HB really was an awesome character and it so sucks that they just decided to write her off. I mean it's like they didn't even give her fans a proper send off either. Oh she's dead, BTW, that's why Huntress is now Helena Wayne. Stupid DC. XD

Yeah, the belly window is nice to look at and did add a certain something to the look, but it wasn't practical, like you said. I also think that it would have been cool if they had come up with something completely new for HW new design. Like something that didn't remind you so much of HB.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I know, right? It was really off-hand to the character and her fans since she had become such a huge part of the DCU. It was a really abrupt thing to do and it's still really disappointing that they did that.
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seanwiccan18 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2012
Mmhmm. Hopefully they will see all the backlash and bring her back somehow. Maybe they wanted to test the waters, so they sorta offed HB, without showing it, so that they could bring her back if there was enough fan demand. Who knows what they were thinking though.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
In terms of the Huntress character, there's always been a half-and-half effect with her. There are those who prefer Helena Wayne and those who prefer Helena Bertinelli. It's pretty much impossible to please both fans unless both characters exist. At the same time, I don't think Helena Wayne ever had the same kind of negative attention directed towards her as Helena Bertinelli has. She's a button-pusher and she's never been as straight-laced as Helena Wayne was.
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seanwiccan18 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2012
Wow. I would have never guess that people actually like Helena Wayne over Helena Bertinelli. I just can't imagine that she had that big of an impact. I mean how long was she around before being whiped out of exsistence? I would figure that Helena Bertinelli would have the bigger fan base since she's been around for a good chunk of time. Even though she doesn't take any crap from anyone, I would think that that was something that would draw people towards her. I want characters that are a little extreme and interesting, not "straight-laced" ones. But that's just me. I wanna read some drama, you know? Lol.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Helena Wayne was introduced in 1977 and was killed off in 1986 so she had nearly ten years worth of narratives behind her. Helena Bertinelli was created in 1989 and was written out in 2012. As you can see, HB has had a longer history. She's been around for over twenty years. Of course, the thing you need to understand with HW is that part of the appeal for the character has nothing to do with her personality or actions but with her legacy. She is Batman and Catwoman's daughter in the original Earth-2. That gave a lot of fans "wish fulfilment."
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MightyMorphinPower4 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012
Another exllcent piece here
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ParisNJones Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I feel the opposite as you do about Helena Bertinelli. There were some good Bertinelli/Huntress stories. And I loved her as a part of the pre-reboot Birds Of Prey team. But as Helena Wayne, she's more rooted into the DC universe (even though it's a parallel world). Bertinelli seemed more isolated until she joined BoP. But to each their own. As for her costume, I'm glad they did away with the belly window, which seemed silly and impractical. It makes sense that Batman's daughter would wear body armor. I love the pose. The crossbow is ready to shoot. The cape is flowing in the background. And her stance is graceful, which she would get from her mother.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Helena Bertinelli always had more depth and uniqueness to her character. I've always appreciated her independence and it went along with the feminist threads that existed within her character. She wasn't dependent on Batman or Catwoman's mythology... she was her own woman. Additionally, she was the rebellious Gotham hero who never quite sought the approval of Batman and would fight crime regardless of whether he said she could or couldn't (he's always been a bit of a nasty little dictator). The idea that her entire family was massacred in front of her eyes has always been extremely vivid and traumatic in my mind. Additionally, Bertinelli's status as a mafia daughter and caring teacher has always helped to set her apart from Helena Wayne. Helena Wayne was a generic lawyer who was just another superhero kid. How many Italian-American vigilante superheroines who work tirelessly with special needs kids are there? :P

It is funny that you seem to fault Bertinelli for her independence though since there are tons of characters in the DCU who aren't as "rooted" in the DCU. In many ways, Bertinelli is more rooted than Wayne ever was. Bertinelli was in two incarnations of the Justice League and made numerous guest-appearances and alliances (most notably with Nightwing, Robin, Black Canary and Catwoman) prior to ever joining the Birds. She had established relationships that Wayne never had and was central to the No Man's Land story arc in the Bat-books.
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L1701E Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012
If you ask me, they should've just left Helena Wayne on Earth-2, and allowed Helena Bertinelli to continue on as the Earth-One Huntress.

World's Finest would've been much more interesting if Power Girl was forced to team up with a Huntress who was so very different from the one she knew.

Funny enough, I had this idea for a series based on the Forgotten Heroes in which a group of characters, including the Connor Hawke Green Arrow, navigate and survive the DCnU, a world where some of them don't even have pasts anymore.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think most people would have preferred if they'd kept the Helenas separate and if they'd just let them be independent of one another instead of attempting to megamix them.
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L1701E Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
Exactly what I said! :thumbsup:
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RakaiThwei Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
I managed to finish moving and finally have settled down somewhat. So I am going to do my best to actually comment on this particular piece here, if you don't mind me doing so whatsoever.

I am actually feeling this piece here because it's the Huntress, and it's featuring her in the latest costume which she has now, which is something that I am definitely feeling. As usual, the black and purple, as well as the white really do go together very well. They compliment each other very nicely. Also, I have noted that there is something of a more armored look to the costume, namely in the shoulders, knees and of course the boots. Considering the activity which Huntress does, it's only reasonable that she has these pads on her costume to keep her well protected as she will have to do a lot of running, jumping, tumbling and even fighting. Also, the pouches on the belt are pretty practical too because of the fact that they are carrying whatever it is that she needs to have on her in case she comes into a situation where it's a dire emergency. I know that it's not your design whatsoever, but I feel that you used the references which you had quite nicely and captured the character very well. Also, I happen to like the color of the black used in her cape, and the flow which you have it appearing-- makes it look like the wind is blowing behind her.

Now concerning the character... I am gravely disheartened at the fact that DC had decided to eventually pull the retcon card and outright state that Helena Bertinelli no longer exists, or was killed inexplicably. It wasn't too long ago that you had properly introduced me to the character of the Huntress, Helena Bertinelli, through the Huntress Year One story arc which I was happy to read because it actually made me appreciate the character for who she is, and of course it also made me develop something of a crush on Helena Bertinelli, and this arc made me want to read more adventures featuring Helena Bertinelli as well... so hearing that Bertinelli no longer is around made me greatly disappointed. I'm going to miss Helena Bertinelli.

Well, aside from that... great work as usual and I am going to do my best to comment on whatever works you have put up since I was busy with the move.
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Femmes-Fatales Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's always great seeing a Huntress costume that is more practical. While the costume itself looked pretty iffy on the covers to her mini-series, the costume inside the series actually looked amazing. It was a great update on the Bertinelli costume. It's obviously been transferred over to the Wolrd's Finest title but now I can't help but feel it's slightly inappropriate since the artist should have made an effort to differentiate Wayne from Bertinelli visually.

It is really disappointing that Helena Bertinelli has been taken out of the new DC Universe. She was such a great character with a lot of depth and I'm really sad to see her gone. While Helena Wayne is interesting in her own right, she lacks the same depth that Bertinelli had. I am optimistic that HB will return in the future since her death has been left ambiguous and we don't know whether she was killed or whether she faked her death or what. That said, I'm oddly not missing HB as much as I thought I would. I suppose this is in part due to the fact that Starling is around now and she blows all the other badass babes out of the water.
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Jose-Ramiro Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Pretty cool pic here.
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